8 odpowiedzi w tym temacie

[budo_łysy79]

Podobno skuteczniejszy od krav magi,co wiecie na ten temat?

[budo_shrek.rtx]

A co to jest?? 8O

rtx.

[budo_smoke]

a cuś takiego ...
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[budo_marcello]

No żeby taką kaszanę wstawić do netu jako reklamówkę systemu! 8O .....czego to ludki nie wykombinują żeby spróbować błysnąć i trochę zarobić

[budo_krav_magik]

Magia kominiarki i moro oooohhh jakie to jest agresywne i brutalne no i rzecz jasna pan w kominiarce nie moze pokazywac swojej twarzy ( mafia i te sprawy wiadomo o co chodzi )

[budo_fiodor]

Podobno zieją tam ogniem po pierwszym treningu, podobno potrafią znokautować stojącą belkę i zjeść metr asfaltu bez popijania denaturatem.

[budo_mradu]

potrafia tez obierac brzoskwinie i jablka golymi rekami, a to nie byle szysz! sam widzialem jak instruktor k-Apapu rozwalil z dynki caly koszyk sliwek. nie isc nam z nimi w paragon

[budo_grozes desperades]

skuteczne jest bo przeciez coraz więcej osob chodzi po ulicy z pistoletem maszynowym , a i skutecznosc wzrasta o 100% po założeniu kamizelki policyjnej lub kominiarki, bo to wkońcu styl dla prawdziwych wojowników :wink:

[budo_thufir hawat]

Z artykułu Jima Wagnera o izraelskich metodach walki ( w tym o KAPAP)
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"Prior to World War II the first term used for hand-to-hand combat by the underground Israeli Army called Haganah (the Hebrew word for defense) was "KAPAP." This acronym did not point to one particular system, but referred to a mixture of rigorous physical conditioning, firearms and explosives training, radio communications, wilderness survival training, combat first aid and foreign language courses (the enemy languages of German and Arabic). The hand-to-hand combat training was a combination of Western fighting systems such as boxing (London Prize Ring Rules), Greco-Roman wrestling, and standard British military knife and baton training.

In the Palmach cave they even trained extensively with thick 6' staffs because they were in short supply of firearms. Another term that was born around the same time was the term Krav Maga (Krav meaning combat or fight, and Maga meaning touch or contact). In context the term means Contact Fighting. This term was used as a generic term, like we use the term "fighting." Some soldiers called their training KAPAP while others called it Krav Maga. It is no different than terms used in today's U.S. military. Some American military personnel refer to hand-to-hand combat as "Combatives" while others call it "Close Combat." Still other names for it is "Line Training" or "Defensive Tactics."
Because my military and law enforcement training and experience extends back two decades I understand each term equally, and they all mean the same thing to me. To somebody just now getting into the military they will probably not use the term "Line Training," because it was slightly before their time. If you get down to it, you could split hairs and say that "Line Training" is more Marine oriented, and "Combatives" is originally from the Army, but the differences will be negligible. The same holds true for the terms KAPAP and Krav Maga in the early days (prior to the 1970s).

During the 1973 Yom Kippur War (the Egyptian and Syrian invasion of Israel), an Israeli combat commander, Second Lieutenant Moni Isaac, lost most of his platoon during a Syrian ambush in the Golan Heights. Only seven men out of 64 survived. Lt. Isaac had to be reassigned to another unit. Instead of sending him to another combat unit, the army saw the need to develop a program to teach their soldiers to be better prepared for hand-to-hand combat, and decided on making Moni Isaac a training instructor because of his judo and ju jitsu background (by 18 years old Moni Isaac had won 7 Israeli championships). Imi Lichtenfeld (approximately 50 years old at the time) and Moni Isaac (a mere 20 years old) were placed together to come up with a basic hand-to-hand combat program. Imi Lictenfeld was teaching at the Wingate Institute for the IDF, but lacked combat experience. Moni Isaac had the combat experience and the martial arts background.

The criteria for the program was that the system had to be simple, easy-to-learn, take little time to master, and most of all be combat effective. With the help of other civilian and military instructors, Lichtenfeld and Issac experimented with hundreds of techniques and training methods at Wingate and at Edmond Buzglo's martial arts school in Tel Aviv, who was also a student of Imi Lichtenfeld at the time.

When the curriculum was finalized the two men pondered on what to call the new military system. Imi Lichtenfeld wanted to call it Krav Maga. Moni Isaac wanted to call it KAPAP. They were both adamant about sticking with each name, but finally came to an agreement. As Moni Isaac told me in an interview, "Imi wanted it (the name) simpler and wanted the name Krav Maga. From that moment on Krav Maga was for the general army, and KAPAP was for Special Forces." Once the name was decided upon Krav Maga would be the official label for the basic hand-to-hand combat system that new recruits would learn, along with follow-on training, and KAPAP would be synonymous with SF training. Imi Lichtenfeld is ultimately credited for the creation of modern Krav Maga because of his senior status at the time, and because he was the first official chief instructor of Krav Maga for Bahad 8. Moni Isaac was more than happy to stay out of the limelight, for as one of his students, Joel Gerson put it, "Moni is intensly private."

When the curriculum was finalized the two men pondered on what to call the new military system. Imi Lichtenfeld wanted to call it Krav Maga. Moni Isaac wanted to call it KAPAP. They were both adamant about sticking with each name, but finally came to an agreement. As Moni Isaac told me in an interview, "Imi wanted it (the name) simpler and wanted the name Krav Maga. From that moment on Krav Maga was for the general army, and KAPAP was for Special Forces." Once the name was decided upon Krav Maga would be the official label for the basic hand-to-hand combat system that new recruits would learn, along with follow-on training, and KAPAP would be synonymous with SF training. Imi Lichtenfeld is ultimately credited for the creation of modern Krav Maga because of his senior status at the time, and because he was the first official chief instructor of Krav Maga for Bahad 8. Moni Isaac was more than happy to stay out of the limelight, for as one of his students, Joel Gerson put it, "Moni is intensly private."

Imi Lichtenfeld stayed on with Wingate for 20 years, and also expanded Krav Maga by teaching it to Israeli citizens with the help of his top instructor Eli Avikazar; who at one time was also a military Krav Maga instructor. Moni Isaac went on to become a Major in the IDF, then immigrated to Canada where he was to open up one of the most successful martial arts schools in Toronto.

Some years later Eli Avikazar had a doctrinal dispute with Imi Lichtenfeld, but to this day will not say what it was all about out of deep respect for his former master. The result of the impasse was that Eli Avikazar broke away from Krav Maga and formed his own offshoot called Krav Magen (Hebrew for fight shield).


Around 1975 Dennis Hanover, a South African immigrant to Israel in 1960, contributed to the Israeli military martial arts in a significant way. His background was in ju jitsu and kyokushinkai karate. He was neither a Krav Maga instructor nor a KAPAP instructor, but was commissioned by the army to contribute to the new counter-terrorist program called LOTAR (deriving its name from the counter-terrorist school Lochama Be'Terror), because of his innovative teaching style. He had created his own system called Dennis Hisardut (Dennis for his first name, combined with the Hebrew word "survival"). For the past three decades Dennis has trained a wide variety of government entities, plus thousands of Israeli citizens. Now in his 60's, Dennis has a thriving martial arts school in the city of Herzliya."

Pozdrawiam, Thufir