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[budo_robertzol]

Witam,
Martius, wiem ze masz duze wiedze na temat jiu-jitsu w Polsce, wiec dlatego mam pytanie do Ciebie.
Czy w Polsce jest nauczane Yoshin Ryu Ju Jutsu, a jak nie w Polsce to gdzies blisko w innym kraju. Szukalem w internecie, ale nie znalazlem.
Znalazle jedynie co na temat Hontai Yoshin Ryu Ju Jutsu, ale nic o samym Yoshin Ryu.

[budo_roslon]

Jak Marcin nie odpowie to zapytaj Eryka Murlowskiego...



R.

[budo_martius]

Witam,
Martius, wiem ze masz duze wiedze na temat jiu-jitsu w Polsce, wiec dlatego mam pytanie do Ciebie.
Czy w Polsce jest nauczane Yoshin Ryu Ju Jutsu, a jak nie w Polsce to gdzies blisko w innym kraju. Szukalem w internecie, ale nie znalazlem.
Znalazle jedynie co na temat Hontai Yoshin Ryu Ju Jutsu, ale nic o samym Yoshin Ryu.

Tak jak napisal Robert na forum pojawiaja sie ErykM i Yawara najlepiej zapytac ich.
Niestety pod wzgledem styli klasycznych moja widza jest bardzo nikla - a po drugie prawie ich nie ma w naszym kraju. A ja nie chce nikogo wprowadzac w bład.

Moze przeczyta to ktos z forum co sie orientuje wiec wyrzucam to z ksiazki zyczen na oddzielny post

[budo_robertzol]

Podaje strone Eryka Murlowskiego na ktorej mozna troche poczytac o szkolach koryu po polsku.

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HONTAI TAKAGI YOSHIN RYU JUJUTSU - (ju-aikijutsu), natomiast
YOSHIN RYU JUJUTSU - (jujutsu).

[budo_marcin954]

Witam,
Martius, wiem ze masz duze wiedze na temat jiu-jitsu w Polsce, wiec dlatego mam pytanie do Ciebie.
Czy w Polsce jest nauczane Yoshin Ryu Ju Jutsu, a jak nie w Polsce to gdzies blisko w innym kraju. Szukalem w internecie, ale nie znalazlem.
Znalazle jedynie co na temat Hontai Yoshin Ryu Ju Jutsu, ale nic o samym Yoshin Ryu.

być może Yoshin Ryu jest pochodną od Hontai Yoshin Ryu, tego drugiego naucza jak to już było mówione Eryk Murlowski, na śląsku opolskim

[budo_robertzol]

Troche wiadomosci o Yoshin ryu ze strony:
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YOSHIN-RYU
(pre-knowledge)

Yoshin Ryu Jujitsu, inspired by Tsukahara Bokuden (1490 - 1572) of the “no sword” school, literally means “to have knowledge before a catastrophic event occurs,” or a “premonition.” The Yoshin Ryu school of jujitsu specializes in submission, joint locking, and striking techniques practiced in a combative way.

According to the Bujitsu Ryu Soroku (biographies of the founders of various martial dojos) there existed some twenty ryu (schools) of jujitsu, such as the Takenouchi Ryu, Sekiguchi Ryu, Kyushin Ryu, Kito Ryu, and Tenshin Yoshin Ryu, the last of which was studied by the late Professor Jigoro Kano and Professor Seishiro Okazaki. The differences between these various schools were chiefly attributable to specialization in certain techniques of Jujitsu by the teachers.

The Tenjin-Shinyo school of jujitsu, famous for its various techniques of atemi waza (percussion), of torae (immobilization), and of shime (strangulation), is generally considered to have derived from two ancient schools, the Yoshin Ryu and the Shin-no-Shindo.

Akiyama Shirobei Yoshitoki, a physician of Nagasaki, is believed to be the founder of the Yoshin ryu. He traveled to China in the seventeenth century to deepen his knowledge in the field of medicine. While studying various methods of resuscitation (hassei-ho, later to become the science of kappo or katsu), he was exposed to Chinese martial arts and to their main principles of strategic application. In particular, he studied the techniques of percussion, the main technical concern of this school. Returning to Japan, he elaborated upon what he had studied in isolation near a temple in the woods. His personal training program included both physical exercises and meditation. In time, he developed about three hundred techniques based upon the principle of ju (suppleness), as indicated by the name he gave his method: yo meaning “willow,” and shin meaning “spirit” or “heart.” The example of the flexible, swaying willow, which snaps back even after the fiercest wind, while the sturdy but rigid oak falls before the onslaught of the storm, was thus recorded in the chronicles of the martial arts. This concept confirmed Chinese influence upon that school of thought which held the principle of non-resistance to be superior to all others, not only in a moral sense but also in the concrete and practical reality of combat.

The founder of the other school, the Shin-no-Shindo, was Yamamoto Tamizaemon, of the Osaka police, who added other techniques (particularly those of immobilization) to the already impressive repertoire of the Yoshin ryu.

Both schools were eventually unified in the late seventeenth century through the efforts of Master Yanagi Sekizai Minamoto Masatari (also known in his later years as Master Iso Mataemon), whose astonishing feats of prowess in the art of unarmed combat (particularly in the use of techniques of percussion, atemi waza) were well known. He is said to have been a remarkable jujitsu master, thoroughly versed in the practice and theory of unarmed combat. After having studied the techniques of the Yoshin ryu and Shin-no-Shindo under the guidance of Master Hitotsuyanagi and Master Homma, respectively, he traveled from school to school, challenging local champions. In the course of this pilgrimage, after which he opened a school in Edo, where his method was taught to retainers of the Tokugawa clan, he is said to have confronted a group of hired mercenaries who had come to extort an exorbitant sum of money from peasants who were sheltering Mataemon. The records describe the encounter as a “savage battle” in which the master and one of his best pupils demonstrated the devastating effects of well-applied atemi waza against professional armed attackers.

CURRICULUM
Ukemi (breakfalls)
As a safety measure to the beginning student, the sutemis, or breakfalls, are taught. The sutemis are a means of minimizing or nullifying the shock to the body in taking throws. The sutemis are not only useful as a safety measure, but serve to cultivate bodily coordination and eliminate the instinctive nervousness and apprehension of being thrown.

Yawara (basic hand arts)
Yawara, literally gentle or soft, was an ancient method of unarmed combat believed to be the oldest form practiced in Japan. The basic course of yawara is for the beginner, the person who has not yet had the opportunity to learn balance and leverage, or the person who fundamentally needs the principles of judo (gentle way). Yawara hand arts will not only teach the basics of self-defense, but will enable the individual to obtain a better perspective on the intellectual teachings of judo as well. The techniques of yawara resemble the basic escapes and wrist flexes of Daito Ryu Aikijitsu, from which they were originally adapted.

Nage Te (throwing techniques)
Judo literally means the "gentle way," the "way" being the concept of life itself. Anyone who practices Judo should have no fear of facing stronger opponents, nor should he scorn weaker ones. With the skill which you develop, you should not oppose the strength of your opponent, but rather yield to his movements.

It’s aims are threefold and are practiced in the following order:

Physical development (renshindo)
Proficiency in contest (shoubuho)
Mental development (shushinho)

Nage may be classified into the following types of techniques:

Tachi Waza (throwing techniques):
1. Tewaza (hand techniques)
2. Koshiwaza (hip techniques)
3. Ashiwaza (foot or leg techniques)
4. Mae Sutemi Waza (front sacrifice techniques)
5. Yoko Sutemi Waza (side sacrifice techniques)

Ne Waza (grappling techniques)
1. Osaekomi Waza (holding techniques)
2. Shime Waza (strangling techniques)
3. Kansetsu Waza (joint lock techniques)

Atemi Waza (striking techniques)
Taisabaki (body movement control)
The Japanese words tai-sabaki are capable of two interpretations. In the wider sense they simply mean all natural body movements including the tsugi-ashi (advance-retreat) motions. In the narrower sense they indicate the ways we manipulate and control our body’s motions. Most important is the way in which we project our ki (internal energy) and move from our saika tanden (lower abdomen) or hara (center).

Nage Terminology
1. Uchi Komi - Practicing a move or fitting in against an opponent while he stands and does not offer resistance without throwing.

2. Tsukuri - This is the lift or pull by which opponent’s balance is broken.

3. Butsukari - Practicing to a position of broken posture.

4. Kuzushi - The point in the position from which an opponent can not regain his balance. This is known as broken balance.

5. Kake - This is the throw itself or final movement and is a culmination of judo techniques.

Osaekomi Waza (immobilization techniques)
Osaekomi Waza teaches self reliance for when confronted with an opponent you are the only one who can get yourself out of this predicament. The Athenian hero Theseus proved that technique could overcome strength when he defeated a stronger opponent. Ground work helps you develop physically in strength, stamina, and flexibility. Learning different techniques and strategies help you develop from within. Learning the principles of balance, leverage, and effective body shifting will help you gain victory over an opponent.

Karate (empty hand)
These arts form the basis for karate and must be initially practiced very slowly, concentrating on each detail in the proper administration of the technique. As an understanding of the technique is acquired, the speed of application may be increased, only without a corresponding loss in efficiency, until each technique becomes a mind-body reflex.

Yubi Waza (finger techniques)
Your body is made up of muscles activated by nerves. In certain places throughout your body there are nerve centers where masses of nerves are concentrated. Many of these nerves and nerve centers transmit pain when compressed. Yubi Waza is a method of defense which applies the science of the nervous system as its principle.

Renzoku (combination techniques)
Renzoku Waza are combination techniques employing renzoku tenkan ho (body turning series) forms used in aiki-jitsu. Renzoku means continuity, continuation, series, or consecutive while tenkan means to divert or turn, and ho means to side step. When applying these techniques all of your movements should be continuous and flowing taking advantage of your opponent’s movement while at the same time avoiding his attack. These techniques are the more intricate judo arts which are composed of techniques based upon balance, leverage, momentum, and combinations of these in many and varied degrees.

Shime Waza (constriction techniques)
The objective of shime waza is to effect a comatose state upon one’s opponent. Technically it is to apply pressure to an opponent’s neck in order to impede and/or prevent the flow of blood to the brain, or to squeeze the throat or chest to subdue normal breathing. It is to be stressed that the shime no kata should only be applied with proper care and with an understanding of the basic physiological principles, dangers, and precautions.

Ippon Kumite (prearranged sparring)
Ippon Kumite is the semi-free style fighting phase of karate training. At this stage, students must be proficient in the fundamentals of judo, jujitsu, and karate. Students usually train in pairs and alternate in the practice of defensive and counter-offensive techniques. However, all the movements are predetermined. This stage of training is essential in the development of actual applications against the various techniques.

Kombo (stick defense)
Principles of stick defense are based upon a pattern of angles into which all attacks must fall, regardless of style or weapon. Defenses deal with intercepting an attacking motion along any of these known angles of attack.

Keisatsu Waza (controlling techniques)
These controlling techniques are designed for the express purpose of teaching a law enforcement officer the easiest and most efficient way to physically contend with a situation that can be met with in no other way.

Kansetsu Waza (joint locking techniques)
Kansetsu Waza are based on the techniques of applying locks to the joints of the body, the effect of which is to cause strain, torn ligaments, dislocation, or fracture.

Tanju No Maki (gun defense)
Close quarter defense against various gun attacks with an opponent using a hand gun, intermediate length weapon, and against a rifle confrontation.

Tanto No Maki (knife defense)
The object of knife defense is to distract or injure before applying a disarm, lock, or throw. Distracting his attention should buy you more time allowing you to apply your defense. A form of distraction is injury. A side benefit of injuring your opponent is that he may be unable to retaliate. The last objective of knife defense is to disarm your opponent so that he will not be able to attack you again with his weapon.

Jiyu Kumite (free style sparring)
The most advanced stage of training, this is where a student applies all the techniques he has learned and engages with an opponent in simulated combat. The main objective of jiyu kumite is to seek or to secure an opening in the opponent's defense, and to deliver a decisive counter offense. However, all strikes and blows are to be pulled, and contact is only made with minimum force with no intent to inflict injuries. The essence and purpose of jiyu kumite is to permit the student a means to perfect his attacks and defensive techniques under conditions similar to actual combat.

Kappo (Japanese system of resuscitation)
There were two secrets in the old jujitsu. One was kappo, the methods of resuscitation, and the other was sappo, or the methods of attacking vital spots of the body in order to cause a coma, asphyxia, or death. These secrets were handed down by word of mouth from master to pupil in sworn secrecy so that the pupil was unable to disclose any of them without his master's permission. Kappo developed along with the development of jujitsu in the 1700's and was refined and added to by many jujitsu masters of various schools since then.

Kiai No Maki (the scroll of kiai)
In ancient Japan, there was believed to be a school of practitioners in the art of kiai-jitsu, the art of mesmerism through verbal and spiritual projection. They would use their psychological powers, such as hypnosis, to overcome their enemies. Thus, the kiai was not just an outcry made from the lungs. The kiai may be translated in several ways. The word ki may be translated as a spirit, or a feeling, in your mind or in your heart. Ai may be translated as an interval between, or, to meet, to come into unison or unite, or a oneness. Therefore, the kiai may be used to create a feeling in your opponent’s mind or body at some interval of distance away from you. Or, the kiai may be used to come into, or enter the mind of one and control his actions. In other words, the two minds are united into one in such a manner that the stronger controls the weaker.

Osaeyawara (lock flow)
The ability to move from any technique, position, or range, without hesitation, and without a thought process, flowing effortlessly to any other technique or position and from any range. Training in “lock flow” allows one to go from situation to situation and environment to environment in constant flow. This applies whether it's counter for counter or receiving attack after attack, within a constant counter and recounter situation.

Shinryaku (relentless spirit)
The course shinryaku was designed to be practiced with great intensity applying each technique precisely and with great speed. It consists of controlling techniques including comealongs, submission, strangulation, violent joint locks, striking, as well as kicking offense and defensive tactics.

Sefukujitsu (restorative massage)
Japanese restoration massage to help restore the body’s normal circulatory function and to promote the general health tone of the one being massaged.

Purpose of Massage:

1. To relax individual muscle groups, or the entire body.

2. To stimulate circulation of venous blood and flow of lymph through or from an area, and therefore...

3. Stimulate metabolism in an area, increase absorption of waste or fatigue products.

Shinyo No Maki (necessity for heart)
The secrets of perfect swordsmanship consist in creating a certain frame or structure of mentality which is made always ready to respond instantly to what comes from the outside. While technical training is of great importance, it is after all something externally added and acquired. Unless the mind that avails itself of the technical skill somehow attunes itself to a state of the utmost fluidity or mobility, anything acquired or superimposed lacks spontaneity of natural growth. This state prevails when the mind is awakened to a satori. Instructors guide their disciples to attain this realization. It cannot be taught by any system specifically designed for the purpose, it must simply grow from within. The master’s system is really no system in the proper sense. But there is a “natural” method in the martial system which hopefully awakens in the young disciple’s mind something that will touch the mechanism needed for the mastery of swordsmanship.

Kyusho Jitsu (art of vital point striking)
Kyusho Jitsu are the techniques of attacking vital points. There are areas of the human body that are susceptible to the application of force or pressure. The 1) amount of force, 2) means by which the force is applied, and 3) the area(s) of the body attacked individually or collectively determine pain, paralysis, unconsciousness, or death of the victim. Therefore, use of vital points and their potential lethal outcome demand wisdom and serious contemplation.

[budo_erykm]

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YOSHIN-RYU
(pre-knowledge)
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jejku..robi wrażenie!
a może by tak od początku....?
Pozdrawiam znajomych (Martius i Roslon)...

Robert, masz już tyle informacji o Yoshin ryu...to po ki diabła jeszcze szukasz? Teraz tylko nauka!

pozdrówka

[budo_erykm]

Tak jak napisal Robert na forum pojawiaja sie ErykM i Yawara najlepiej zapytac ich.

- a po drugie prawie ich nie ma w naszym kraju.

A ci to jacyś znajomi...dziwnie znajomi...hihihii

ale masz rację, mało ich ... do pieczenia chleba... i tych szkół też...

pozdrówka Martius

[budo_remi pulwer]

Teraz widze ze faktycznie Yoshin Ryu jujitsu nie ma duzo wspolnego z Hontay Yoshin Ryu Jujutsu...

[budo_robertzol]

ErykM napisal:

Robert, masz już tyle informacji o Yoshin ryu...to po ki diabła jeszcze szukasz? Teraz tylko nauka!

Witam ErykM, a powiedz mi czy Ty nie szukasz wiedzy o koryu.
Jak ktos kiedys napisal warto znac historie tego co sie cwiczy.
Pytalem o Yoshin Ryu dlatego ze kiedys wroce do Polski i chcialbym trenowac dalej. Wiedze i umiejetnosci techniczne zdobywam na treningu, a o historii moge sam poczytac, czy poszukac jakis wiadomosci.
b]ErykM napisal:[/b]

Zresztą oryginalna szkoła Yoshin (taijutsu) jest dziś w formie szczątkowej. W zasadzie teraz koncentruje się na nauczaniu naginatajutsu. Także formy kata to zupełnie inne halo.

Z jednym sie zgodze, ze jest tych szkol bardzo malo.
Zanim dojdziesz do nauczania naginatajutsu musisz nauczyc sie najpierw taijutsu. Nauczane jest poslugiwanie sie nie tylko naginata, a ona jest nauczana prawie na koncu.

Pozdrawiam

[budo_yawara]

Jak ktos kiedys napisal warto znac historie tego co sie cwiczy.
Pytalem o Yoshin Ryu dlatego ze kiedys wroce do Polski i chcialbym trenowac dalej. Wiedze i umiejetnosci techniczne zdobywam na treningu, a o historii moge sam poczytac, czy poszukac jakis wiadomosci.[/b]

Zanim dojdziesz do nauczania naginatajutsu musisz nauczyc sie najpierw taijutsu. Nauczane jest poslugiwanie sie nie tylko naginata, a ona jest nauczana prawie na koncu.

No cóż....wiedza jak najbardziej, nie ulega wątpliwości!

Jeżeli jesteś za granicą, to masz niewspółmiernie większe szanse na zdobycie tej wiedzy ... chociaż z tym to różnie bywa. Czasami coś "błyszczy" ale to nie "złoto".... To, że ktoś jest "master" na zachodzie nawet Japończyk, to jeszcze nic nie znaczy. Czasami nawet jest podejrzane... a znamy takie przypadki nawet z naszego podwórka!!

A co do historii, to nie wszystko przeczytasz, gdyż większość materiałów jest np. uzyskana z prywatnych źródeł, które na ogół nie są "cytowane" w necie np.
Fakt, że roi się tam od informacji, lecz większość to jednak materiał raczej nadający się do kosza. Nawet do przefiltrowania tych informacji potrzebna jest wiedza. Nie można się wszystkim podniecać, co się przeczyta... mam tu na mysli wielu ekspertów-teoretyków.

Co do nauki form taijutsu przed np. naginata... to zależy od szkoły. Np. w TSKS ryu wpierw poznajesz broń, a po opanowaniu jej w stopniu odpowiednim zaczynasz poznawać taijutsu, ninpo...itp.

uśmiechamy się... wiosna idzie... !!!

[budo_remi pulwer]

Robert a z kim ty cwiczysz - masz jakis link do swojej szkoly - z checia bym popatrzyl...

[budo_robertzol]

Cwicze sztuki walki od wielu, wielu lat i nie jest mi latwo wcisnac kit.
Zgadzam sie ze z mistrzami roznie bywa i nie tylko w Polsce, w stanach jest podobnie, a nawet moglbym stwierdzic ze jest wiecej oszolomow. Spotkalem japonczyka, ktory powiedzial mi ze po roku cwiczenia u niego dostane 1 dan, facet mial 5 dan w san kai jujitsu. Wiecej mnie tam nie zobaczyl.

ErykM napisal:

A co do historii, to nie wszystko przeczytasz, gdyż większość materiałów jest np. uzyskana z prywatnych źródeł, które na ogół nie są "cytowane" w necie np.
Fakt, że roi się tam od informacji, lecz większość to jednak materiał raczej nadający się do kosza. Nawet do przefiltrowania tych informacji potrzebna jest wiedza. Nie można się wszystkim podniecać, co się przeczyta... mam tu na mysli wielu ekspertów-teoretyków.

I tu rowniez sie zgadzam, w tym poscie wrzucilem troche informacji o Yoshin ryu, szczerze jak dla mnie to 2/3 to smieci. Jedyne co mnie zastanawia to, to skad ludzie biora takie rzeczy i wypisuja takie historie.
Ale kto nie szuka ten nie bladzi.
Ja na szczescie odnalazlem dobra szkole i nie cwicze u mistrza teoretyka.

ErykM napisal:

Co do nauki form taijutsu przed np. naginata... to zależy od szkoły. Np. w TSKS ryu wpierw poznajesz broń, a po opanowaniu jej w stopniu odpowiednim zaczynasz poznawać taijutsu, ninpo...itp.

Jest to mozliwe. Kazda szkola ryu ma wlasny program, a na dodatek kazdy mistrz moze miec jakies preferencje.

Remi Pulwer napisal:

Robert a z kim ty cwiczysz - masz jakis link do swojej szkoly - z checia bym popatrzyl...

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Serdecznie pozdrawiam.

[budo_remi pulwer]

So I see - nice combination of styles - Togakure i Mikkyo i takze Yoshin Ryu JuTaijutsu - bardzo ciekawe... Togakure to pod Hatsumim czy pod Hayesem?

[budo_robertzol]

Cwiczy pod Hatsumim
Wejdz na strone i kliknij na ikonte Togakure, a potem na the instructors.
Tam jest wiecej informacji.