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[quote]nie narzekaj tylko zabieraj sie za godzinne sprinty to wytrzymasz spokojnie:>[/quote]

Godzinne sprinty? a moze 10 minutowy maraton [/quote]

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nie:>

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[link widoczny dla zalogowanych Użytkowników]

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Na On The Mat pojawilo sie obszerne sprawozdanie. Z braku czasu zamieszczam zrodlowa wersje po angielsku:
International Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Federation Tournament
February 1-2, 2003

Exactly how the first IGJJF tournament would go was anyone’s guess. Rorion had held inter-academy tournaments using similar rules for some time now, however this would be the first large scale test of the format open to all competitors. The rewards were made very enticing indeed; in an unprecedented move the entrance fee was actually lowered when a generous sponsor made a sizable contribution and the prize up for grabs would be a dream for any jiu-jitsu enthusiast: an all expenses paid trip to Brazil to train with Grandmaster Helio Gracie himself!

The major differences between the IGJJF rules and the typical BJJ rules had to do with no time limits on the matches. Instead all matches were determined by either tap out or by the first opponent to 12 points. The point system was a departure as well, in that only superior positions were rewarded –sweeps and takedowns counted for naught if you didn’t wind up in a superior position. Naturally the big question was to how these rules and the other changes suggested by Rorion would affect the tournament and be received by the competitors.

As it turns out, both the tournament and the rules were a resounding success and almost universally lauded by both participants and spectators. Many competitors definitely expressed a preference for the new rules over the old ones, with the most common exclamation was that it felt more like training at the academy. Overall the matches were more quickly paced and the average match length was actually shorter than standard tournaments. Coupled with the fact that the tournament was extremely well organized and run, and the two days went by very smoothly.

The two quibbles over the rules I heard the most were the no gabbing both sleeves rule and that slamming was legal. As it turned out, the no grabbing both sleeves rules was a non-factor –there were no stalling attempts at all made. The slamming from the guard rule was in effect to remind competitors that they had to remember to break down their opponent’s posture. Some competitors refused to slam their opponents even when the opportunity presented itself, and those who did take advantage of the rule were not received favorably by the audience as well. (In the interest of fighter safety, I’m not in favor of the slamming rule at all).

The tournament saw about 150 competitors and plenty of great action. In the first day probably best match up in the regular division was in the blue belts as Johnny Orosco took on Jeff Glover. Both kids are about 120 pounds soaking wet, and entered the 150 division giving up quite a bit of size to the opposition. By the time they got to each other, both had submitted their first two opponents, so the showdown was inevitable and looked forward to. In a frantic battle, Glover got the better of Orosco by triangle choke. The first day also saw Ryron Gracie armbar Kurt Osiander in brown belt action, and a host of awesome purple belts taking the mat.

The matches actually went by very quickly, as each division would cycle through a round before moving unto the next. In this way the pacing was better for all athletes and the action was evenly spread out between the two days splitting into the preliminary match-ups on the first day and the semi-finals and finals on the next day. One of the more star studded black belt line ups in recent memory was also scheduled to compete on both days, divided into a lightweight (under 175 pound) tournament featuring the return Antonio “Nino” Schembri, Rodrigo Teixeira, Amal Easton and Cameron Earle, and a heavyweight tournament featuring Jorge “Macaco” Patino, Fabio Leopoldo, Gabriel Vella, Pe De Pano, and Saulo Riberio. It was quite intriguing as to how these legends in the making would adjust to the new rules.

Macaco vs. Fernando Leopoldo

The larger Fernando pulled guard right almost immediately and Macaco got to work on trying to pass and get to side control. As Macaco was maneuvering himself Fernando secured a choke and came to his knees. Macaco was forced to tap in under a minute! What a stunner! Macaco is a legendary good sport, and although obviously disappointed was quick to congratulate Fabio on the victory.

Nino vs. Rodrigo Teixeira

The return of the king baby! OTM favorite Nino chose the IGJJF to make his return to the sport jiu-jitsu scene (in his absence due to injury and fighting in Pride). His very game opponent was Rodrigo Teixeira. The pace of this match did not disappoint as both went back and forth and up and down, battling for position and control. Nino looked very relaxed as with incredible pressure and technique he eventually passed guard and secured the mount. From there he quickly secured an armbar for the victory.

Pe de Pano vs Gabriel Vella

Marcio “Pe de Pano” Cruz is currently among the top BJJ players in the world right now (and also among the largest, you really have to stand next to him to appreciate how big he is). Gabriel had just returned from Japan where in his Pancrase debut he drew with former king of Pancrase Yuki Kondo. Despite being teammates (both are Gracie Barra students and Ryan Gracie students) the two battled it out. Pe de Pano displayed his vaunted guard as Gabriel tried his best to pass, however the larger Pe would sweep and control. The final score was 14-0, but did not reflect the battle Gabriel put up.

Cameron Earle vs. Amal Easton

This was a match up of two of the top black belts in the United States. Amal Easton from Renzo Gracie had been crowned the black belt absolute champion at the US Trials in November. Cameron Earle from Ralph Gracie is renowned for his exciting and extremely aggressive brand of jiu-jitsu. This was the battle of the guards as each competitor took turns attempting to pass, and each actually succeeded at one point. At around the 20 minute mark Cameron executed a beautiful sweep and when Amal attempted to play an upside-down Cameron fell back into an unusual straight knee bar for the tap out.

Fabio Leopoldo vs. Saulo Riberio

The final match of the first day saw Fabio return to action against Saulo Riberio, the six-time world champion. This match went back and forth and back again, with one athlete dominating and then the other getting an upper hand. Saulo and Fernando battled like this for nearly thirty minutes, when finally Fernando was in Saulo’s guard. Saulo looked for a sweep, and Fernando was forced to base out with his right hand. Saulo then quickly spun for an armbar and secured the tap out victory, an exciting end for a titanic battle and a great day of action.

Amal Easton vs. Rodrigo Teixeira

The first blackbelt match of the second day, the battle for third place in the lightweight division Amal returned to face Rodrigo Teixeira. The competitors exchanged positions however Amal proved to be dominant with some nice sweeps and won this match on points

Cameron Earle vs. Nino

An exhibition match. Cameron (who has actually named his dog after Nino a former instructor at Ralph Gracie’s academy) had every intention of bowing out. However since this was the championship bout they were asked to go out on the mat and “do something”. After celebrating their one two showing until the very early morning together, this is what they came up with: Nino displays a freaky guard pass, Cameron attempts to feed him an arm, Nino takes the other arm and we officially have our lightweight champion.

Saulo Riberio vs. Pe de Pano

This battle between two of the biggest names in the sport today lasted a full forty minutes. Saulo was greatly outsized by Pe de Pano but was able to execute some beautiful sweeps. Under the new point system, sweeps didn’t count for points unless you it resulted in a superior position, and each time Saulo would get the sweep, he would land in Pe de Pano’s “damned guard”. When Pe de Pano would get the sweep, he was able to capitalize and gain the superior position, thus scoring points. The final score was 14-0 with Pe de Pano mounted on Saulo, but the score wasn’t really indicative of the tremendous battle put forth by both athletes.

After the regular division finals were held. The super fights between division winners were held to determine who the nine (three from each skill level) competitors would be who won the trip to Brazil to train with Helio Gracie! Runner up winners received a gi from Adidas. The fight of the tournament had to be between Dennis Asche and Jeff Glover which continued for nearly forty minutes. Jeff was outweighed by nearly forty minutes in this contest, and Dennis Asche seemed to have control, but Glover simply refused to give up. Finally, to the wild approval of the audience Glover secured a triangle choke, however he failed to break down Asche’s posture properly, and thus got lifted for a big slam. The slam, while perfectly legal, was booed heavily by the crowd and Glover could not continue.

Afterwards there was the award ceremony and announcements made, during which time Grandmaster Helio Gracie himself awarded well-deserved black belts to Ryron and Renner Gracie. All in all the tournament could definitely be deemed a resounding success and we look forward to many more under the new rules in the future. Rorion is definitely interested in feedback and a visit to the tournament’s official website at [link widoczny dla zalogowanych Użytkowników] provides areas to provide feedback. Now that this tournament has been completed and it is less of an experiment and an unknown quantity, the next test of the success of the tournament will be how widespread the new rules become.

Look for an official release from Onthemat.com soon with highlights and matches!
LIFE TIME OPPORTUNITY WINNERS


Grand Prize Winners

WHITE/BLUE BELTS
DENNIS ASCHE
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PURPLE BELTS
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BROWN BELTS
THIAGO VELLA
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http://www.onthemat.com/igjjf_0203.html

[budo_^hast^]

Zawody wedlug tych przepisow maja sie odbyc w Europie. Zawody maja nazwe: 7° French Cup of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Wiecej [link widoczny dla zalogowanych Użytkowników].

[budo_^hast^]

Kilka dni temu Rorion zamiescil na swojej stronie zaktualizowane przepisy rywaliacji sportowej.

Modyfikacje obejmuja:
limit czasu walki: 30 minut

Przewiniecie, obalenie, pasywnosc - 1 pkt

Przepisy w jezyku angielskim sa bardzo zrozumiale i nie widze powodu aby je tlumaczyc. Co teraz sadzicie o tych przepisach ?

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OFFICIAL TOURNAMENT RULES

This point system has been objectively simplified to only reward the competitor when he is able to obtain a clearly dominant position. Everything will be done to prevent stalling. Competitors are expected to bring out their best and chase victory through the unmistakable means of submission. If a submission does not occur, the competitor that accumulates 12 points will be declared the winner of the match.

TIME LIMIT: 30 minutes. If by the end of the match the score is even, sudden death will apply.

MOUNT FROM THE FRONT...........................................................4 Points
Both knees and feet must be on the ground for 3 seconds

MOUNT FROM THE BACK.............................................................4 Points
Both knees and feet must be on the ground for 3 seconds, or Both feet must be hooked inside of legs for 3 seconds

CROSS MOUNT............................................................................3 Points
Must have control of opponent for 3 seconds

SWEEP FROM THE GUARD..........................................................1 Point
Must have control of top position for 3 seconds

STALLING....................................................................................1 Point
The stalling competitor forfeits one point to his opponent.

TAKE DOWN.................................................................................1 Point


INACTIVITY: A competitor may not hold both sleeves at any time with the intent of stalling. The referee reserves the right to give TWO warnings for stalling, which will count as 2 faults. The competitor then has 5 seconds to release the sleeve after each warning. The third occurrence will lead to immediate disqualification.

REVERSAL: A competitor, when inside the opponent's guard, must be trying to pass the guard and the competitor on the bottom must be attacking. After 3 minutes, if the competitor on top cannot pass the guard, the competitor on the bottom will earn ONE POINT and the referee will reverse the position.

POSITION CHANGE: If a competitor is in the cross mount position and stops attacking or holds still for more than 30 seconds, the referee reserves the right to give TWO warnings for stalling. On the third warning, the match will be interrupted and the competitor on top will have to choose one of the two options: to pass or defend the guard. And he will forfeit ONE POINT for stalling.

If a competitor is in the top/back mount position and stops attacking or holds still for more than 30 seconds, the referee reserves the right to give TWO warnings for stalling. On the third warning, the match will be interrupted and the competitor on top will have to choose one of the two options: to pass or defend the guard. And he will forfeit ONE POINT for stalling.

FOOT LOCKS: Foot locks are permitted. Knee locks are permitted for brown belts and up only. Heel hooks are not allowed at any level.

BODY SLAMS: Body slams are permitted from the guard among purple belts and up.

IMMEDIATE DISQUALIFICATION: Will result from any of the following: Deliberate bending of the fingers or toes, hair pulling, striking, biting, pressure points, eye gouging, or groin shots. Avoiding combat by going out of the mat. Disrespect through gestures or verbal abuse toward a referee, a competitor or a spectator will also result in disqualification.

MATCHES WILL END: With a tap out, when 12 points are accumulated, at the 30 minute time limit, or by referee intervention (disqualification).

[budo_p-chan]

CZytałem już te zasady w Budokanie i na początku mnie zdenerwowały kary za pasywność, no ale z drugiej strony... Wydaje się, że są uzasadnione. Bagiński nie bedzie już mógł sobie leżeć na przeciwniku i wyciągać własne gi, aby go po jakimś czasie nim udusić. :wink: No i najważniejsze. Zakaz przytrzymywania rękawów przeciwnika w celu kontrolowania. Bardzo mnie denerwowało we władku, że sparing partneży często mi je przytrzymywali i nie mogłem podjąć żadnych działań w celu przejścia gardy. Za to duży plus. Poza tym punktacja zastała dobrze postanowiona, nie będzie żadnych sprzeczności w zadecydowaniu kto wyszedł z walki zwycięsko. :-) Jak dla mnie spoko.

[budo_bronson]

Zawody wg tych przepisow juz byly w Polsce a mianowicie w Poznaniu i wg mnie zadzialaly ok. Zawody skonczyly sie w dobrym czasie okolo 17. Walki dlugie byly sporadycznie wiekszosc konczyla sie naprawde szybko (2-4 min.) przez poddanie, bardzo rzadko bylo wygranie dzieki punktom.

[budo_^hast^]

CZytałem już te zasady w Budokanie...

Modyfikacje tych przepisow zostaly opublikowane w Budokanie? 8O Przeciez one maja kilka dni.... Cos chyba przegapilem. Orginalne przepisy zostaly opublikowane na poczatku 2003 roku. W budokanie jakis czas pozniej.

Wydaje się, że są uzasadnione. Bagiński nie bedzie już mógł sobie leżeć na przeciwniku i wyciągać własne gi, aby go po jakimś czasie nim udusić.

Bedzie mogl, bedzie. Najmniej wyciaganie kimona nie podpada ani pod "przetrzymywanie" ani pod "zaniechanie ataku". Karalbys kogos kto mozolnie zbiera sie do balachy w zolwim tempie ?

No i najważniejsze. Zakaz przytrzymywania rękawów przeciwnika w celu kontrolowania.

No tak lecz to jest przepis istniejacy w pierwotnych przepisach, zadnych rewelacji w nim nie ma, szczegolnie ze ten zapis istnieje takze w regulaminie Cbjj.

Poza tym punktacja zastała dobrze postanowiona, nie będzie żadnych sprzeczności w zadecydowaniu kto wyszedł z walki zwycięsko.

Wierz mi na slowo ze kazdy system punktowy jest krzywdzacy w okreslonych sytuacjach. Nie ma idealow.

[budo_^hast^]

Zawody wg tych przepisow juz byly w Polsce a mianowicie w Poznaniu i wg mnie zadzialaly ok. Zawody skonczyly sie w dobrym czasie okolo 17. Walki dlugie byly sporadycznie wiekszosc konczyla sie naprawde szybko (2-4 min.) przez poddanie, bardzo rzadko bylo wygranie dzieki punktom.

Zawody byly gucio.
Sprostuje tylko ze zawody wedle nowych, zmienionych przepisow nie zostaly jeszcze rozegrane w Polsce ani nigdzie ;-) Na zawodach w Polsce nie bylo limitu czasu i punktacji za pomniejsze techniki. Kompletny nowy regulamin kilka postow wyzej :wink:

[budo_scoti]

coś się popi... i nie mogę głosować, jestem za

[budo_cipao]

dla mnie te zasady są do dupy ,startowalem w copapoznania wedlug tych zasad i przegralem w finale ale mimo to nie czulem sie gorszy.walka finalowa trwala 45min ,na poczotku walki zdobylem 6pkt za pozycje puzniej moj przeciwnik zaczol zdobywac pkt. za to ze 5min. trzymalmnie w gardzie i nic wiecej co dałomu 9pkt. i raz mial pozycje 3 pkt..najbardziej zdenerwowalo mnie gdy przeszedlem garde do bocznej pozycji i przygotowywalem sie do techniki konczocej a sedzia kaze wciognoc mi przeciwnika w garde bo minol czas (5min).moim zdaniem brakuje sedziow ktozy sa wstanie stwierdzic kto jest bardziej pasywny, jezeli komus sie nie podoba ja walcza czarne pasy bo wydaje mu sie ze tonudne to niech zacznie cwiczyc walenie gruchy.

pozdrawiam wszystkich prawdziwych sympatyków BJJ a nie pismaków kturzy d dupie byli i gówno widzieli.Cipao

[budo_aviator]

Ja też dalej uważam, że te przepisy są do dupy. Nie - nie startowałem wg. nich, ale mam nadzieję, że zawody rozgrywane na ich zasadzie nie staną się powszechną praktyką. Walka to nie teatrzyk wg. scenariusza.

Pozdrawiam, Aviator

[budo_p-chan]

Hast, mi chodziło o przepisy, które były w Copa Posnania, a nie modyfikacje. :wink: Przeczytałem trzy pierwsze posty w temacie i napisałem swój nie czytająć dalszych. I los chciał, że napisałem go zaraz pod modyfikacjami. A co do Bagińskiego... To nie wiem. Ale suma sumarum ciągle uważam to za mało honorowe zwycięstwo, takie duszenie na chama swoim gi.

[budo_genosha]

Eeee... honorowe, niehonorowe... wazne chyba, ze dziala.

[budo_gonzo]

raczej honorem bym sie tu nie podpierał. zwycięstwo to zwycięstwo, czasem trzeba coś zrobic na chama bo inaczej sie nie da. sam staram sie tego unikac ale innych nie oceniam. każdy orze jak może.
pozdro

[budo_aviator]

No duszenie własnym kimonem, to jaknajbardziej poprawna technika Wg. mnie nic nie ujmuje zawodnikowi. Niehonorowe jest kopanie w jaja, albo wpychanie barku w oczodół...oraz wiele innych "technik" którymi się brzydzę.

[budo_mkimura]

uważam to za mało honorowe zwycięstwo, takie duszenie na chama swoim gi.

Duszeń swoim gi jest co najmniej kilka w repertuarze BJJ, więc wg ciebie co, wszystkie są niehonorowe? Co ty gadasz? :? To jakie sposoby wygrania są honorowe, ja piernicze, aleś wymyślił.....

[budo_gonzo]

jeszcze w kwestii formalnej: pisząc "na chama" miałem na myśli rozwiązanie typowo siłowe :? czyli jakies ostre szarpanie. co do wykorzystania kimona to jestem za. po to jest żeby go używać. proste